New Formatting for Hearthstone Discussion

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Posted on Feb. 3, 2016, 9:25 a.m. by golffore297

So it looks like Blizzard will be taking a page out of Magic's book in that in the coming season(s) they will now be introducing formats. What this means is that instead of simply just ladder, there will two new formats which will be Standard and Wild. Standard will be the last 4 expansions/solo adventures and will always contain the basic and classic cards. Wild will always contain every expansion/solo adventure. Therefore Standard once the spring expansion comes out will be:

Blackrock Mountain

League of Explorers

The Grand Tournament

Spring 2016 Expansion

As well as the classic and basic cards.

This means that Goblins vs. Gnomes and Naxxramas will no longer be Standard legal. Each format will have its own respective rank and all future Hearthstone tournaments will be conducted in the Standard format. There is also going to be a buffing/nerfing certain numbers of classic and basic cards, so keep an eye out for that.

Thoughts?

MarkerD says... #1

Are they gonna do a vintage version where all cards are un-nerfed and all decks have to be gold?

February 3, 2016 11:45 a.m.

MarkerD says... #2

On a serious note I like the idea of a standard format it helps evolve the playing style and move away from powerful staples. Not being able to use Dr. Boom, Shieldmaiden, or even Antique Healbot might shake things up quite a bit

February 3, 2016 11:50 a.m.

JTetris11 says... #3

I think MarkerD makes a really good point. Think about some of the fun cards that really never got to see any play since they couldn't compete with Dr. Boom or Piloted Shredder. Now cards and mechanics like Inspire and Coldarra Drake may actually have a chance to get played.

February 3, 2016 1:33 p.m.

DuTogira says... #4

I would hold off on making meta game predictions for now. Remember, blizzard is going to be making some heavy adjustments to the basic and classic card pool since those cards will always be available in standard. Among them is a nerf to the force + roar combo. This makes the meta game entirely unpredictable.
As for my thoughts on them implementing a standard at all... It was predictable. Without a standard, the game eventually forces the devs either to power creep out the older sets in order to keep demand for new sets high, or resign themselves to the fact that only 6-8 cards could become constructed playable from each set, with that number decreasing each time a new set is released.
Am I glad that there is a standard? I'm apathetic. I'm a combo player, and blizzard has been very adamant in showing that combo decks are not meant for hearthstone. They most certainly won't become a thing in a rotating format, and while MAYBE the emergence of a rotating format will allow wild to see some combos emerge, I doubt it. History doesn't favor that outcome.

February 3, 2016 5:58 p.m.

accelerando11 says... #5

My only issue with this is that they're taking out the ability to buy packs of the sets that rotated out, as well as the adventures if you don't have any of the wings. Sure, you can craft the cards that you might want from them, but I don't see why there'd be a need to prohibit people from buying them.

February 3, 2016 7:18 p.m.

DuTogira says... #6

Are they really? That seems odd. From a programming perspective there is no good reason to take out the ability to buy packs from old expansions. The cards already exist in game, categorized by expansion. I can't imagine that a card pack takes up all that much more space than any other regular variable (which takes up mere bytes of memory), within Hearthstone's code.
I also don't see a reason economically to rotate packs out. Unlike with physical card games, blizzard doesn't need to print copies of the card, so there is no cost of production argument here... I guess it makes wild a far more expensive format for new players which might be the goal, but since I doubt anyone would buy copious amounts of packs just to dust for old cards... I don't get it, unless the point is to milk new players for all the money they can.
I want a link proving they are taking naxx out for good. Yes it makes sense from a programming perspective but... That just seems idiotic. Getting to experience each adventure for the first time was the most fun portion of HS for me, and taking them out just ruins that experience for new players, which works directly in opposition to the goal of taking out the ability to buy packs from old expansions.

February 3, 2016 9:58 p.m.

JTetris11 says... #7

Do you think some of this is just trying to protect against the server being overloaded with information and too many people trying to buy too many different sets? We all know what happened when GVG first came out.

February 4, 2016 2:22 p.m.

MarkerD says... #8

It seems counter productive to straight up stop offering sets and expansions just because they aren't used in a format. People will still buy regardless

February 4, 2016 2:39 p.m.

DuTogira says... #9

MarkerD is right. The server strain from GvG didn't come because people were buying different sets. It came because so many people were trying to buy packs at the same time and server couldn't process that much traffic all at once. I guess blizzard COULD be trying to limit the number of packs people buy via regulating what's available in order to eliminate the need to upgrade their servers. The problem with that logic is that people buying packs gives money to blizzard, and if their servers are being maxed out on transactions, blizzard should be making far more than enough money to upgrade their servers. I'm really not sure what their logic is here.

February 4, 2016 2:55 p.m.

accelerando11 says... #10

DuTogira The announcement for the new modes mentions that they are rotating them out.

"Adventures and Expansions that are not part of the Standard format will no longer be available for purchase from the Shopthis year, that includes Naxxramas and Goblins vs Gnomes. If you want any cards you missed out on for Wild play or just to fill out your collection, youll be able to craft them using Arcane Dusteven cards from Adventures that were previously un-craftable. Speaking of Adventures, if youve purchased at least the first wing of an Adventure before it cycled out, youll still be able to finish acquiring and playing the remaining wings."

http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/19995505?

(For some reason hyperlinking wasn't working properly?)

February 4, 2016 3:45 p.m.

DuTogira says... #11

Hyper linking doesn't work on the heartstone version of tappedout. Yeago hasn't gotten to it yet.
It's official then... Blizzard has gone nuts, the next expansion will be squirrel themed, and over the course of the expansion gold will be replaced by acorns.

February 4, 2016 8:44 p.m.

I'd like to speak up about the reason they're removing old sets from purchase.

It's to get rid of the perceived barrier to entry. When new or f2p players see all these things for sale, many feel obligated to get them all to be relevant. Even with the standard format, the Hearthstone playerbase has proven that they have a very hard time understanding some simple CCG concepts. Basically by removing the out-of-rotation sets from the store, it makes the cards harder and more obscure to get, and in turn lets players forget about them if they don't play Wild.

Just thought I'd clear that up.

February 8, 2016 7:19 p.m.

Dorotheus says... #13

BRING BACK WARSONG COMMANDER!

February 9, 2016 3:50 p.m.

Razy says... #14

Wasn't worth it unless either his man was lowered or he got a +1-+1 buff to his stats to easily killed

February 10, 2016 8:10 a.m.

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